Police Harassment of Photographers in the UK

On a recent short trip to the UK from Zurich I was wandering around the Bloomsbury area and making my way back to St Pancras via Tottenham Court Road. There was a protest against Scientology going on, and I took the following photograph.

After walking past I was chased by the police officer shown and asked to account for myself. The conversation went something like this.

PO: "Who are you?"
ME: "My name's Richard"
PO: "You took my photograph"
ME: "No I didn't, I took a general photo of the protest"
PO: "You're a liar. You pointed the camera straight at me and took a photograph"

At this point the use of the phrase "You're a liar", the abusive tone and absurdity of the situation got to me, and it has to be admitted that I didn't feel like fully co-operating. He insisted in performing some kind of stop and account report (of which I have the evidence).

I said that it was not an offence to take a photograph, and his reply was that "He did not like his photograph taken". I suggested that he shouldn't use his police uniform to support personal whims. On asking several other questions and not apparently getting the answers he wanted he repeatedly said "You're a liar".

After a while he asked if I had been drinking. I said "Of course I've been drinking, it's Saturday afternoon". (In fact I had three pints of beer taking photos and watching sport on the television) However now he seemed to think this was important. "You're intoxicated. Very intoxicated" All of this in a loud voice and in full view of many bystanders. He wrote it in his little book.

During this whole episode my impression was that he was excitable and angry, irrespective of the disrespectful and rude attitude. He dropped my id twice on the ground, and made several mistakes filling in the form, putting his own name in place of mine for example

I was still wondering what crime I had committed. After about 20 mins I was allowed to proceed.

I have three points to make about this.

1) Why was I stopped in the first place? Teenagers are dying of knife crime in London all the time. Do something useful.

2) Why was the attitude so immediately disrespectful, aggressive and rude?

3) If this is the state of agitation that police officers get into confronted with such an event, how can the UK trust them to manage more serious affairs?

In case anyone is interested, they can see the entire film that I shot on the day here.

A quiet day in London

Comments
I think the answers to 1,2 & 3 are all that from time immemorial, police forces have attracted ignorant bigots as well as community spirited, sincere individuals. The law is there to keep them in check which is just as well, that control is eroded by things like the identity card proposals (now shelved, apparently)

Just because he is a policeman does not stop him being a knobhead (some would say it is in the job description). I hope you are able to pursue a formal complaint, the idea that is gaining currency that there is something wrong with taking photographs needs fighting.

On a slightly oblique point, when I was in Hyde Park recently, I was afraid of taking pictures at Diana's fountain in case I was accused of being a pervert, so I moved on. I wanted a picture of the Lido, but it was fenced off. Still I poked my camera through a hole in the door and clicked. When I got home I discovered I had a picture of a topless sunbather, maybe I am a pervert after all.
# Posted By Ham | 7/2/09 1:24 AM
"I suggested that he shouldn't use his police uniform to support personal whims." I love that!

That is quite a story Richard! In the U.S. you would have been shot a minimum of 41 times....
# Posted By Gerry | 7/2/09 1:41 AM
Gerry

If I'd ran away I probably would have been shot the statutory number of times

Aye aye - what a world.....

Hey, shame about David Carradine

Cheers

Richard
# Posted By Richard | 7/2/09 2:08 AM
I have been told (kindly) here that close up shots of police are not allowed. Have not checked if this is formally true or not.

I took photos of some policemen and the "same" protesters here in Paris, without any problems. (I don't think I published them on the blog.) It seems now by the way that the scientologists probably will soon be forced to "close" in France. They have been "stealing" too much money of too many people.

Let's see the fine you will get! :-)
# Posted By Peter | 7/2/09 1:48 PM
Sadly our Home Office has lost the plot. Police Officers themselves seem to be utterly confused about what the public may do lawfully and may not do. The catch-all has been the fear of terror, which has sporned a raft of conflicting situations where manifestly innocent photographers end up being harrassed by the "knobheads" seeking to fullfill their quota of terror suspects stopped and questioned. This incident should be complained about; but the complaint will not succeed. The best one can hope for is that at least "They" are forced to become aware of the bad situation brought about by too many laws and too much fear.
# Posted By Chuckeroon | 7/2/09 5:58 PM
Ton histoire me fait penser que le scénario de nos vies sont écrits par nous, mais aussi par les personnes que nous rencontrons ou les événements extérieurs. En ton cas cela a été une expérience désagréable, elle aurait pu être dramatique.
L'image avec ce policier et les personnes masquées me rappelle un film de Woody Allen où des couples masqués sur un canapé prenaient la parole à tour de rôle.
Tu as vêcu un moment en dehors de la réalité, voilà tout et même ta photo n'est pas la preuve qu'il a existé.
Le principal est que tu sois en pleine forme !
# Posted By Cergie | 7/2/09 11:58 PM
He does look like a knobhead.
# Posted By freefalling | 7/6/09 12:21 PM
At the risk of offending residents and citizens of the UK this is indicative of the mess the country is in. It is merely a by-product. There is an inability to control big issues and the natural reaction is to worry about petty things. I admire your handling on this... it is sad however, that this is where things are going. Not only in the UK but in more places around the world...
# Posted By Sean | 7/8/09 4:55 PM
One of the photographers in the CDP community had similar - worse - problems with the police and really tried to fight it with petitions etc. You'll find info in the CDP forum. Here, the police seem to like having their photo taken, even pose when asked. Vive la France!

And how outrageous to imply you are perhaps drunk and worse, a liar. Good for you keeping your cool, Richard. Sure I wouldn't have done so.
# Posted By Jilly | 7/11/09 12:45 PM
Adding to what Sean and Jilly have said. The magazine Intelligent Life Summer issue has just published an in depth study of what is gong on around Europe and how nations are looking at Britain and saying "Well, if the British can do that, so can we". Even at EU top level there is a desire to introduce more surveilance. And Jilly: don't imagine that France is free from this. It may not be long before the Policemen stop posing. I was not against the introduction of the CCTV cameras, but now I'm extremely sceptical about it all - so are former leading members of our secret service agencies.
# Posted By Chuckeroon | 7/13/09 3:06 PM
# Posted By Gerry | 8/7/09 6:05 PM
Thanks Gerry - what a depressing piece of news. So, Joe Bloggs is now entrusted with deciding whether photographic technique is suspicious.... I knew Steiglitz was up to no good......
# Posted By richard | 8/7/09 9:27 PM
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